tirsdag, mars 25, 2008

And the winner is ...



The winner of the Best Snapshot in Second Life contest from Open Day, and
the prize of a free tenancy of the huge glass lobby at the base of the brown
tower, is Norwegian educator Kita Coage of Diginalet, who already have a
presence on our main courtyard.
Lokalet det er snakk om, ligger vis a vis The C.A.V.E i Eduisland II. Området huser flere kjente bloggere fra hovedsaklig den amerikanske, engelske og australske lærerstanden.
Så var spørsmålet: Hva skal jeg bruke det til? Vel ... Du er herved invitert til å skape et norsk møtested for lærere i Second Life.

Ønsker du å vite mer om Second Life, og å være en del av et internasjonalet miljø hvor fokus ligger på bruk av IKT i læring? Vil du være med? Nå har du muligheten til å være med fra start - heng deg på da vel! I første omgang trenger vi et navn på huset. Noen som har et kreativt forslag?

c",)

Vinnerbilde:

6 kommentarer:

joepett sa...

Wow - gratulerer! Jeg har stadig ambisjoner om å stikke innom SL igjen. Nå er det måneder siden jeg har vært der - ga liksom litt opp da jeg ikke helt skjønte poenget. Siden jeg byttet PC for en stund tilbake har jeg ikke en gang lastet ned SL. Men en dag med det første vekker jeg opp avataren min som forhåpentig sitter på benken sin på Eudisland klar til litt mer utforskning. Du ser jo ut til å ha fått skikkelig tak på denne virtuelle verdenen!

jeanette tranberg sa...

Takker :)

Fortell meg hvilken benk du sitter på, og jeg skal vekke deg. Tenk om vi kunne fått til et aldri så lite 17 mai tog på Eduisland II ...

Jeg trenger noen nye utfordringer, og da er jo dette et veldig inspirerende miljø å både være og å lære i. Enda bedre blir det om benksliterne kommer på banen - lol

Jeg ser fremdeles på meg selv som newbie, men joa ... Kind'a getting the hang of it :)

Anonym sa...

Joda, jeg kunne tenke meg å sjekke det ut, men vet ikke helt hvor / hvorfor jeg skal begynne. Kan du gi meg kortversjonen på hva, hvordan og hvorfor?

Et spørsmål, by the way: Blir SL regnet for å være Web 2.0? Nå?

Husker at folk drev på i 3D omgivelser allerede på slutten av 1990-tallet.

Anonym sa...

hilsen albaab

jeanette tranberg sa...

Jeg kommer med et innlegg - etter hvert. Foreløpig kan du se om denne chat'n jeg fikk invitasjon til gir noen svar. Eller vekker noen nye spørsmål ... Når vi snakker sammen foregår det både i form av snakkebobler, og gjennom bruk av Voice. Her ser du loggen (som kanskje er litt forvirrende siden det foregår flere samtaler samtidig faktisk til tider). Mystitool (som du ser i loggen)er et verktøy jeg bruker for å lokalisere folk i nærheten - blant annet. I denne diskusjonen bringer jeg videre dine spørsmål i møte med folk fra forskjellige bakgrunner. Jeg kunne også spurt dem om helt spesielle ting jeg lurte på fra deres fagfelt om jeg hadde ønsket det. Som du forstår da, så har jeg tilgang på mye informasjon fra dyktige folk. De fleste her i undervisningsmiljøet er fra forskjellige colleger og universiteter i USA. Det handler derfor også om å være en del av et nettverk - et kunnskapsnettverk hvor informasjonen er lett tilgjengelig for meg når jeg trenger den. c",)

[13:02] IM: buridan Simon: Every Week on Monday (1:00-2:30pm SLT) join us for Lessons in Second Life, an open table forum centering on what can be learned in sl in both formal and informal settings. The forum is open to faculty, students, and interested parties of all kinds. We meet at the _blacklibrary hyperborea 91, 30, 26 im buridan simon for more information. Come share your ideas for learning in Second Life http://slurl.com/secondlife/hyperborea/92/30/26/
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[13:04] buridan Simon: nice shoes movies
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[13:04] You: hello
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[13:05] buridan Simon: hi, have a seat
[13:05] buridan Simon: we'll start in a few minutes
[13:05] You: thank you
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[13:06] buridan Simon: comeon in and have a seat
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[13:07] JJ Drinkwater: Is this voice or Chat?
[13:07] buridan Simon: chat
[13:07] buridan Simon: no voice
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[13:08] buridan Simon: so... it looks like we have a whole new group of folks today:)
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[13:08] buridan Simon: so i guess we should do short intros
[13:09] buridan Simon: i'm buridan simon/jeremy hunsinger and i teach communications at UIC and do other things
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[13:10] buridan Simon: this is the second semester of 'lessons in second life' and it is an open forum, so you bring your issues, and we talk about them
[13:10] buridan Simon: there is no 'topic'
[13:10] Reuben Kraft: I'm a CS prof. from a small college in Ohio (Mount Union College). Currently teaching a "Programming in SL" class.
[13:10] buridan Simon: other than 'learning'
[13:10] Stranger Nightfire: Curious newby, Stranger in a strange land
[13:10] JJ Drinkwater: Imaginary Librarian, Caledon Library
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[13:10] Thursday Xu is Online
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[13:11] buridan Simon: isn't it mount union that had the unbeatable football team for a few years?
[13:11] You: Middle shcool teacher from Norway
[13:11] Muse Carmona: i'm muse carmona/kathy mancuso and i'm in the graduate program in digital media/human computer interaction at Georgia Tech and I'm working on anthropological research on the University of There.
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[13:11] Reuben Kraft: yes, buridan, we won another championship last year too.
[13:11] buridan Simon: how did your talk go at Gimpgirls, muse?
[13:11] Kavon Zenovka: instructional designer from a Community college in Colorado
[13:12] Text Timeless: I'm a PhD student in English at UC-Santa Barbara doing sci-fi and emerging technology
[13:12] Muse Carmona: the gimp girls talk was actually awesome. Rivka is really great, and that audience made it even better.
[13:12] Raxen Gears: PhD Student at SUNY Albany
[13:12] Muse Carmona: I always make a whole lot of connections and learn neat things when I go to their meetings.
[13:12] Thursday Xu is Offline
[13:12] buridan Simon: cool
[13:13] buridan Simon: so what should we talk about today, feel free to introduce yourselves if you wish
[13:13] Thursday Xu is Online
[13:13] Thursday Xu is Offline
[13:13] buridan Simon: anyone, beuller, beuller
[13:14] buridan Simon: heh
[13:14] You: Someone asked me on blog today, why they
[13:14] You: should be in SL?
[13:14] You: A teacher ...
[13:14] buridan Simon: I'm unsure why there is any necessity to be in sl
[13:14] You: Why are you in SL?
[13:14] buridan Simon: it seems much more to me to be an option
[13:15] Movies1963 Beck: tell them because the virtual reality world is about to expload and it'll do 100 times has much for education then the web and internet did for education
[13:15] buridan Simon: it is like... 'why doe people eat meat?'
[13:15] buridan Simon: some do.... dome don't
[13:15] buridan Simon: some don't
[13:15] Reuben Kraft: I think VR places like SL are the future of information access. So if they want to be prepared for the near future, SL is it.
[13:15] Kavon Zenovka: Are we asking the question - is immersive education - superior education?
[13:15] Movies1963 Beck: yes
[13:16] Kavon Zenovka: okay - what makes SL classes better?
[13:16] Movies1963 Beck: it makes education a lot more personal and interactive for the student
[13:16] Kavon Zenovka: are students more engaged?
[13:16] You: Good question!
[13:16] Movies1963 Beck: it creates excitement
[13:16] buridan Simon: I'm actually pretty sure that vr isn't the future of information access. it might be one future for learning
[13:16] Text Timeless: not necessarily - too many people still simply lecture in an SL class
[13:16] Kavon Zenovka: true
[13:16] buridan Simon: it might be a future for constructivist learning
[13:16] JJ Drinkwater: We're really just learning to use the medium
[13:16] Kavon Zenovka: action learning, etc.
[13:17] JJ Drinkwater: I teach an immersive learning class...and I probably learn more from the students than they do from me
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[13:17] Reuben Kraft: I'd vote for excitement too. I've been logged on at 2 in the morning and met up with some of my students happily working on a project that is not even due for another week.
[13:17] You: in SL? Drinkwater
[13:17] buridan Simon: I suspect that most people are here primarily because of the novelty and excitement, because we've yet to actually have any strong studies that show differences
[13:18] JJ Drinkwater: Yes, In SL...througjh UIUC
[13:18] Kavon Zenovka: Kita's question does relate to something I'm trying to understand'defend - what do we mean we when say students are engaged?
[13:18] buridan Simon: but then... we all are aware of the 'no significant difference' phenomenon
[13:18] buridan Simon: i dunno
[13:18] buridan Simon: engaged has always been a euphamisms for performing determinate tasks to me
[13:18] buridan Simon: or.... 'doing work'
[13:19] Text Timeless: you might could prove "engagement" if you have interactive setups on your SL classroom
[13:19] Kavon Zenovka: W eknow engagement - the excitement is good - how do we test for it - how do we explain it?
[13:19] JJ Drinkwater: Sorry...what is the 'no significant difference' phenomenon?
[13:19] buridan Simon: engaged students 'do work'
[13:19] Movies1963 Beck: this gives the student total control to look at the lesson they're learning, it gives the student POWER
[13:19] Kavon Zenovka: Are we really testing fro engagement?
[13:19] Raxen Gears: If there truly is "no significant difference", and we still have the time & place advantage, doesn't that provide immersive environments a leg up?
[13:19] Text Timeless: ...but isn't engagement really about getting students to want to learn the material? ...however that happens?
[13:20] buridan Simon: i don't think most people reallyt est for engagement
[13:20] Kavon Zenovka: I know students are engaged in SL and that they are learning. Are our run of the mill assessments able to show that?
[13:20] buridan Simon: i mean... how can you 'test' or 'assess' it?
[13:20] Kavon Zenovka: Test - I think you've come on something "students wanting to learn"
[13:20] buridan Simon: desireing to learning?
[13:21] buridan Simon: i think you can desire to learn without being engaged
[13:21] Kavon Zenovka: I recently watched a video called 2 million minutes - it's by a nonprofit discussing US high school eduaction v. education in India and CHina
[13:21] Movies1963 Beck: your assessment tools will be broken on this stuff and thrown out, new assessments must be made that'll show the power of education in virtual worlds has
[13:21] buridan Simon: there is something performative about engagement
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[13:21] Text Timeless: right - but I mean getting them interested in what you're teaching so that that's what they desire to learn in particular
[13:22] Kavon Zenovka: The 2 million minutes showed very motivated high school students in China and India, but I'm not sure that's how I want to motivate my students.
[13:22] Kavon Zenovka: Buridan couldyou please expand?
[13:23] buridan Simon: on the performative aspects?
[13:23] Muse Carmona: I was in a conversation earlier where we were discussing -- and there were no conclusions -- how one produces quantitative data that "tests for engagement."
[13:23] Kavon Zenovka: ABout how engagement is performative, please?
[13:23] buridan Simon: well i look around my classroom and find very few students engaged engagement
[13:24] Kavon Zenovka: I'm not tyring to test you - would just like your musings.
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[13:24] buridan Simon: I think that to be engaged the students have to 'do work' in a 'field' in a way that is guided by their own passions
[13:24] buridan Simon: you cannot be engaged just by sitting
[13:24] Kavon Zenovka: Agreed
[13:24] buridan Simon: you can be by reading
[13:25] Text Timeless: passion = engagement, in many cases
[13:25] buridan Simon: you can be by talking
[13:25] Muse Carmona: you are using field to mean here?
[13:25] buridan Simon: passion is not engagement, it is that which directs reason
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[13:26] You: I find that I love to create
[13:26] buridan Simon: field here is meant more as a site as in anthropology or sociology
[13:26] Kavon Zenovka: can you engage student who are only taking your class as a requirement?
[13:26] LaBelle Rossini: lol
[13:26] buridan Simon: the site can be virtual, like a conceptual field
[13:26] buridan Simon: so your site can be the study of virtue
[13:27] buridan Simon: or it might be a physical place like a street corner
[13:27] Caleb Negulesco: I think the answer to that one is, "sometimes you can", engage required students, but sometmes not
[13:27] buridan Simon: but it has to be 'real'
[13:27] Text Timeless hates that word "real"
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[13:27] LaBelle Rossini: Real is good
[13:27] Caleb Negulesco: It depends on whether you can unearth their passions and direct them in a profitable manner for the course in question
[13:27] buridan Simon: real is not apposed to virtual
[13:28] LaBelle Rossini: But what does it mean in this context?
[13:28] Kavon Zenovka: how do you convince old school instructors that enagement is a good thing - not just edutainment.
[13:28] LaBelle Rossini: Old schoold instructors do edutainment - that's news
[13:28] Kavon Zenovka: real + authentic???
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[13:28] Kavon Zenovka: no they don't.
[13:28] buridan Simon: authentic is just a judgment though
[13:28] LaBelle Rossini: Right
[13:29] buridan Simon: personally i find nothing wrong with edutainment
[13:29] LaBelle Rossini: No there isn't
[13:29] Muse Carmona: buridan: that's what i thought you meant by field, was just checking.
[13:29] buridan Simon: other than... frequently it teaches literacies that enabled behaviours that i don't like
[13:29] Kavon Zenovka: I don't either - I love the term , only I can't say it outloud too often at my place.
[13:29] LaBelle Rossini: Just the thought of edutainment and old instructors made me wonder
[13:29] Caleb Negulesco: old school instructors still want their students to a) pay attention b) learn, c) be interested in the subject
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[13:29] LaBelle Rossini: Right
[13:29] Kavon Zenovka: Is that reasonable?
[13:29] buridan Simon: oh i still want them to pay attention and learn
[13:29] LaBelle Rossini: And authentic is different
[13:30] LaBelle Rossini: It is
[13:30] LaBelle Rossini: If it is authentic
[13:30] Caleb Negulesco: engaged students are all of those things
[13:30] Ida Recreant: I think It depends on the "edutainment" and whether it means education is sacrificed just to entertain--I see nothing wrong with entertaining with the goal of helping people learn
[13:30] LaBelle Rossini: Me neither
[13:30] LaBelle Rossini: It's good to do a good job
[13:30] buridan Simon: i don't think students need to be engaged to learn
[13:30] Reuben Kraft: I do have a few students who can't seem to resist "playing around" during class.
[13:30] LaBelle Rossini: Sometimes that means to entertain
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[13:31] LaBelle Rossini: Meaning what?
[13:31] buridan Simon: though i think that engaged students likely retain what they do learn for a longer time
[13:31] LaBelle Rossini: Playing around?
[13:31] Ida Recreant: Yes, and students play around no matter how you teach--even if you engage most
[13:31] LaBelle Rossini: True
[13:31] You: In RL Reuben?
[13:31] Muse Carmona: of course the trick is then to encourage "productive play"
[13:31] Ida Recreant: Playing around for me is texting to their friends rather than trying to learn what's going on in class
[13:31] Kavon Zenovka: You're right students can learn without being engaged. So why is engagement, immersive educaiton, SL better?
[13:31] buridan Simon: all play is productive
[13:31] Movies1963 Beck: buridan what do you mean kids dont need to be engaged to learn......if your class is half asleep how are they learning......they arent engaged
[13:31] LaBelle Rossini: But isn't the challenge then to simply integrate that and be "authentic" and "entertaining"?
[13:31] Zotarah Shepherd: There have been several studies about using play to teach small children. And there is a psychological and social aspect to creating Engagement. And adults learn more easily with interactive lessons than a lecture.
[13:31] Raxen Gears: Are we talking about virtual worlds as a tool /of/ education, or tool /for/ education, though? This goes beyond a typical entertainment medium like a filmstrip...
[13:31] Reuben Kraft: by playing around I mean not working on the current class task
[13:32] buridan Simon: if your class is half asleep that doesn't mean they are not engaged
[13:32] LaBelle Rossini: No?
[13:32] buridan Simon: it means that they are not getting enough sleepd
[13:32] Movies1963 Beck: are you kidding?
[13:32] Reuben Kraft: lol
[13:32] Kavon Zenovka: Some students will force themselves to learn without being engaged.
[13:32] LaBelle Rossini: What kind of engagement is that?
[13:32] You: lol buridan
[13:32] buridan Simon: otherwise, i would assume that if the students were falling asleep... that you were teaching them about sleeping
[13:33] Muse Carmona: buridan, yes, but by productive play i'm thinking about play as engaging with SOMETHING that's related to the class, even if it's not the current task
[13:33] buridan Simon: that would be 'directed play' muse
[13:33] Ida Recreant: I can agree with your deifnition, Muse
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[13:33] Muse Carmona: buridan: +1. especially with university students it means they're not getting enough sleep :-)
[13:33] Kavon Zenovka: Muse - are you talking about the new media literacy out of MIT
[13:33] Muse Carmona: buridan: ok, i'll take directed play.
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[13:33] Muse Carmona: i am thinking about that . . . but i am home sick today so the terms are swimming in my head!
[13:34] Movies1963 Beck: man am I lost, i forgot to smoke a joint before I got here
[13:34] Kavon Zenovka: Play - meaning you try several times, maybe fail and then eventually learn like a video game?
[13:34] Kavon Zenovka: Movies I think we all did.
[13:34] Text Timeless: lol
[13:34] Movies1963 Beck: not from where I'm sitting
[13:34] Caleb Negulesco: I didn't inhale
[13:34] buridan Simon: i think one of the keys to play is that there are no terms of failing
[13:34] LaBelle Rossini: Oh
[13:34] buridan Simon: there may be winning and losing
[13:34] LaBelle Rossini: Never knew that
[13:35] Ida Recreant: hmmm . .so it's not failing if you give up and never achieve the goal/objective?
[13:35] buridan Simon: nope
[13:35] JJ Drinkwater: I like that distinction, Bur.... "failing" vs "winning/losing"
[13:35] Kavon Zenovka: or you are allowed to try again if it wasn't successful unlike a test
[13:35] Muse Carmona: i like the distinction.
[13:35] buridan Simon: because if you are playing, you do not have to conform to the rules unless you want to
[13:35] LaBelle Rossini: Playing to me means "getting there and enjoying the journey"
[13:36] LaBelle Rossini: But it also means "arriving" at the "right" solution
[13:36] You: I had an english teacher who always said: There is no such thing as failing, it's all learning steps
[13:36] Ida Recreant: Bur, then I get confused, because what is achievement?
[13:36] buridan Simon: actually i'd avoide the 'getting there' or 'arriving'
[13:36] Kavon Zenovka: Are you ( People teaching) doing that with your students in SL?
[13:36] buridan Simon: that is not necessaryily play
[13:36] LaBelle Rossini: No
[13:36] LaBelle Rossini: I am brutal with them
[13:36] buridan Simon: if you define outcomes of play
[13:36] Zotarah Shepherd: I teach teachers here and teens on the TG.
[13:36] buridan Simon: then
[13:36] buridan Simon: it is work
[13:37] Caleb Negulesco: how are you all using play in your courses in SL?
[13:37] Muse Carmona: LaBelle: but what about play that doesn't have a "right" solution, like a game that is open ended? SL has no right solution, but wouldn't you say you can play in SL?
[13:37] buridan Simon: or laborabor
[13:37] buridan Simon: labor
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[13:37] LaBelle Rossini: Yes in SL you can play
[13:37] You: Zotarah - what do you teach in SL with teens?
[13:37] Ida Recreant: ahh .. okay, so I guess I don't have student play, although their projects on SL are to look around and (in my case) identify and discuss legal issues here
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[13:37] Muse Carmona: ida: well, imo achievement is according to goals you set for yourself, not necessarily to meet external goals?
[13:37] Muse Carmona: maybe i'm wrong
[13:37] Zotarah Shepherd: Life Skills and some history
[13:37] buridan Simon: you sound more like you have directed exercises
[13:38] Zotarah Shepherd: Some science
[13:38] Ida Recreant: Muse, Yes, I can see that, but in a course we usually have instructor/school/discipline defined goals
[13:38] Kavon Zenovka: Hi Ida - I'm doing that also. Only we leave it very open ended so that they explore the good, the bad and the ugly.
[13:38] You: What would a typical class be like, and how many students do you have in at the time?
[13:38] Zotarah Shepherd: I use interactive asynchronous builds and discussion groups.
[13:38] Reuben Kraft: I do like to give very open ended projects. I guess that is a kind of play. For instance, the current project is to build a Rube Goldberg Machine in SL.
[13:38] Kavon Zenovka: Ida can you throw in a little bit of contructivism?
[13:39] Ida Recreant: Kavon, I can relate to that--I'm in a business school in a departmnet of lawyers, and not all of them are open to being open . .. lol
[13:39] LaBelle Rossini: lol
[13:39] Kavon Zenovka: i have to play the goals, objectives and learning outcomes game too.
[13:39] Reuben Kraft: I'd like to hear about some of the work/play being done in the Teen Grid.
[13:39] You: Where are your students located in RL?
[13:39] Ida Recreant: Kavon, I think I do, in the context of comparing this to their own experiences with the legal system in RL . . . I'm alwasy confused when I start trying to explain/understand learning theories . . .
[13:40] Kavon Zenovka: I'm the guest lecturer for the business law class and paralegal classes for their SL projects.
[13:40] Zotarah Shepherd: It is on a public island and not a part of a school so there can be from 1 to 14 students at a time.
[13:40] Ida Recreant: Kavon, that's cool - maybe I can talk to you sometime later, because I want to continue to use this as part ofo the class (I bash lawyers sometimes, but I fit in that category, too)
[13:40] You: are they taking a class - with an examn?
[13:40] Kavon Zenovka: We just started out SL module today and they are going crazy. "What is this? you mean people.... You need a contract for this..... People steal?????"
[13:41] LaBelle Rossini: lol
[13:41] Ida Recreant: Kavon, excellent . . . sounds like my students experiences . . some of them startred out with "there are no legal issues in SL--it's virtual"
[13:41] Kavon Zenovka: Sure - AU's new book his chapter on the legal system - our students are going past what he is even talking about.
[13:41] Kavon Zenovka: I'm so proud of them.
[13:42] buridan Simon: we just had a workshop on legal issues in virtual worlds at ASU, it was quite good
[13:42] Ida Recreant: Kita did you mean me? Yes, students have a couple of mini-papers and a take home exam that will include a component on their second Life experiences.
[13:42] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ida Recreant (7m)
[13:42] Ida Recreant: burdian really? is it available somewhere?
[13:42] Zotarah Shepherd: Teens do not tell adults on public sims where they live of course and we advise them not to say except in general terms like what time zone. Most are US kids and a few are in UK and other places. It is hard for teens to prove their age to get accounts outside of the US.
[13:42] You: oh interesting Ida ...
[13:42] buridan Simon: there should be a law journal article coming out in the next few months
[13:42] Kavon Zenovka: Kita - in our class it's an online class, discussions, leading discussion and the group project which is a contract is graded.
[13:43] Ida Recreant: burdian, I'd like to read it -- could you let me know?
[13:43] buridan Simon: the ala is apparently quite interested
[13:43] buridan Simon: yep, will do
[13:43] You: aha
[13:43] Ida Recreant: Kavon, I'm teaching an online law class in the fall; It would be interesting to compare information
[13:44] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[13:44] Kavon Zenovka: Definately - I'm at a much lower level - but we have fun.
[13:44] Connected
[13:44] Sword Hammerer is Offline
[13:44] You: Is Second Life considered to be a Web 2.0 too?
[13:44] You: l
[13:44] Caleb Negulesco: Ida and Kavon, would you consider yourselves experts in SL law?
[13:45] Kavon Zenovka: No way!
[13:45] Ida Recreant: Kavon, I teach undergraduate and graduate business law classes; are you at high school?
[13:45] Text Timeless: some people say Web 3.0 now
[13:45] Ida Recreant: Caleb no way--I'm just beginning and of course fascinated at the same time.
[13:45] Kavon Zenovka: I'm just an instructional designer who can usually always find a way to incorporate new material into the curriculum.
[13:45] JJ Drinkwater: Eh..terminological inflation
[13:45] Kavon Zenovka: No - community college
[13:45] You: How would you define web 3.0?
[13:45] Ida Recreant: Caleb, I'm working with developing an online dispute resolution center on my university's island . . . so I'm just starting.
[13:46] Caleb Negulesco: I'm interested in having a legal SL expert to address my class in interdisciplinary research methods
[13:46] Text Timeless: I don't - it's just the term I've seen lately. I think people use it for virtual worlds/3D spaces
[13:46] Kavon Zenovka: We are trying to do a Center for Schems, Scams and Scoundrels.
[13:46] LaBelle Rossini: Wow
[13:46] Ida Recreant: Caleb, perhaps we can talk later -- it's possible I could help, although my focus isn't research per se
[13:46] LaBelle Rossini: And why?
[13:46] Kavon Zenovka: Sorry Caleb that wouldn't be me.
[13:46] Caleb Negulesco: sure
[13:46] You: I've also heard the term 3.0 for the Semantic web
[13:46] Ida Recreant: Kavon how cool!
[13:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Raxen Gears (9m)
[13:47] Text Timeless: "semantic web"? How's *that* defined?
[13:47] You: Well, if I remember it had to do with tagging etc.
[13:47] Kavon Zenovka: Kita - I've seen that also. I don't quite get it yet. I have seen Sl described as Web 3D.
[13:48] Text Timeless: oh, like the visual hyperlinking of tag clouds etc?
[13:48] You: yes - I agree, I think there is a confusion maybe about the web 3.0 and web 3D?
[13:48] buridan Simon: the whole 3.0 metaphor is just silly
[13:48] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Aleja Asturias (7m)
[13:49] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ida Recreant (7m)
[13:49] Kavon Zenovka: I just googled Web 3.0 - the first entry was wikipedia.
[13:49] You: well, I think it is interesting in a way
[13:49] Zotarah Shepherd: Your mic is on Buridan
[13:49] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Jayne Urqhart (4m)
[13:49] You: it describes changes related to internet
[13:49] You: expands
[13:50] Kavon Zenovka: wikipedia has the first defintion as the "word used to describe the future of the world wide web."
[13:50] Tomas Milestone is Online
[13:50] You: in users interacitons maybe
[13:50] Text Timeless: lol those are the sounds of a busy multitasker...
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[13:50] Connected
[13:51] Kavon Zenovka: can't help it.
[13:51] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Aleja Asturias (6m)
[13:51] Ida Recreant: Don't we all multitask? Of course, we may not do a very good job at it . . .
[13:51] Reuben Kraft: There is something "compelling" about chatting here in SL that is missing on a web chat page.
[13:51] Muse Carmona: hee
[13:51] buridan Simon: bbiam i have students
[13:51] Text Timeless: true enough, these days
[13:52] You: Like what Reuben?
[13:52] Kavon Zenovka: a certain type of engagement? :)
[13:52] Ida Recreant: I agree Ruben, I think it's the avatars.
[13:52] Reuben Kraft: Somehow I feel more related to people than on a web chat. (I know you're there?)
[13:52] You: yes - agree, I was just gonna say that
[13:53] Muse Carmona: yesterday at the embodiment talk buridan and I were talking about we were talking about having profound experiences of being connected to the body of your avatar and how that relates to dis/ability
[13:53] You: more identity is added
[13:53] Text Timeless: although I think it was brought up yesterday (Muse? Aleja?) that not everyone gets "into" the sl sense of presence that way
[13:53] Aleja Asturias nods.
[13:54] Muse Carmona: i don't get into it that way for sure. but it was brought up.
[13:54] You: get your kids to bed Muse
[13:54] You: its late in norway
[13:54] You: lol
[13:55] Muse Carmona: what? huh?
[13:55] Reuben Kraft: Have some of you been using Voice in SL? Does that bring people more into the VR experience?
[13:55] Text Timeless: so...other methods to foster engagement?
[13:56] LaBelle Rossini: No voice experience
[13:56] Stranger Nightfire: On the voice thing, Yes
[13:56] Zotarah Shepherd: Not everyone gets into watching a play, a movie or TV either.
[13:56] Aleja Asturias usually thinks of voice in practical terms, like her colleague who needs it because typing is difficult
[13:56] Virtualriver Cazenove: voice certainly does bring english students to practice more in SL
[13:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Aleja Asturias (6m)
[13:57] You: that is one of the reasons I like SL, I can practice my English
[13:57] Aleja Asturias only first used voice herself yesterday to make a "no voice" announcement before the seminar. :)
[13:57] Stranger Nightfire: an intonation can be woth a thousand words
[13:57] Kavon Zenovka: Actually it's IT at my campus not approving voice.
[13:57] Kavon Zenovka: or Skype for use.
[13:57] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
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[13:57] LaBelle Rossini: Why?
[13:57] Norseman Eriksen is Offline
[13:57] You: Where are you guys from by the way?
[13:58] Zotarah Shepherd: Some people crash or lag if they use voice
[13:58] Ida Recreant: Yes, i have used voice. It is convenient for one to one communications on SL and for presentations. but text chat is fine for me.
[13:58] Kavon Zenovka: They want to approve all VOP like technology and they haven't researched it yet.
[13:58] Norseman Eriksen is Online
[13:58] Muse Carmona: kita, what the heck about norway?
[13:58] Muse Carmona: i am so confused
[13:58] Aleja Asturias: There were some people at yesterda's event who would have preferred voice becuse they can't follow text easily
[13:58] You: I'm from norway - and in norway?
[13:58] You: Was that your kids in the background?
[13:59] Aleja Asturias: and there was someone who was attending who cou ldn't read and was to have someone read for them what was happening via voice chat
[13:59] LaBelle Rossini: lol
[13:59] Ida Recreant: That issue--following text and graphic based interface, is the issue that has limited my use of SL; it is not accessible in different formats
[13:59] Muse Carmona: i think voice is much less a part of the culture here than in there.com, for instance
[13:59] Zotarah Shepherd: I am in northern California
[13:59] Stranger Nightfire: there is a strong anti voice reaction among established SL residents, almost an elitist sort of thing
[13:59] Muse Carmona: kita: i don't have kids. might have been the DOG.
[13:59] Ida Recreant: Zotarah, so am I
[13:59] Muse Carmona: is my mic on?
[13:59] Aleja Asturias is in New York.
[13:59] Text Timeless: not anymore
[14:00] JJ Drinkwater: PArt of it was the loss of anonymity, I think, the reaction to voice
[14:00] Muse Carmona: Aleja: I do agree that using both voice and text is an accessibility issue.
[14:00] Aleja Asturias: Are events done where there is simultaneous voice and text presenting?
[14:00] You: I thought it was you - but there are so many bubble heads here I was probably wrong - lol
[14:00] Virtualriver Cazenove: where i work in SL as the helper, we HAVE TO use voice..cos it's active english learning...
[14:00] Stranger Nightfire: I think you are right JJ
[14:00] Aleja Asturias nods to Muse.
[14:00] HoloYaffle: Hello Ida Recreant
[14:00] HoloYaffle: Would you like to know more about the blacklibrary? (yes/no)
[14:00] Babette Vuckovic: I've seen very good press conferences using voice and text.
[14:00] JJ Drinkwater uses voice-morph software, just on principle
[14:01] Zotarah Shepherd: Well in a discussion you can also save the chat so you can rememeber what was said and who said it. Hard to find information from a recording.
[14:01] Babette Vuckovic: The speaker was speaking, and the audience IMed a facilitator their questions, which the speaker then read and answered.
[14:01] Virtualriver Cazenove: and I am their voice mentor to help people use their SL voice
[14:01] Aleja Asturias is unfamiliar with "voice-morph software"
[14:01] Text Timeless: Babette: sounds like a good way to run some classrooms
[14:01] You: I better get my viking butt to bed - if you dont mind I will publish this chat on my blog?
[14:01] Muse Carmona: tell us more about voice morph?
[14:01] Babette Vuckovic: I think so, too.
[14:02] Zotarah Shepherd: It makes sence for some classes or social environments to use voice and others not.
[14:02] Ida Recreant: Yes, I've seen voice and text used; it's similar to web-conferencing in that you have the oral presentaiton (usually with ppt slides) and the ability to IM or to pose written questions.
[14:02] You: Anybody not OK with that?
[14:02] Caleb Negulesco: no prob
[14:02] Ida Recreant: Kita, I have no problem with it.
[14:02] Zotarah Shepherd: Fine with me Kita
[14:02] Ida Recreant: And good night Kita
[14:02] LaBelle Rossini: Fine with me
[14:03] Zotarah Shepherd: Sweet dreams Kita.
[14:03] Kavon Zenovka: What I like about text is more than 1 person can text at a time without it getting to hard to follow
[14:03] You: great :) nice talking to you all, see you soon

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